onenationundergod:

okhowexactlydoesthiswork:

Wow. Okay. You are just judgmental people then.

No one knows my “do-I-eat-meat” status unless they offer me chicken at a dinner. I don’t broadcast it primarily because of people like you who actually judge me for it. 

Dairy cows and egg-laying hens are not treated humanely. You people claim to be pro-life, until it comes to the animals you find so tasty. What if I said, “that baby is going to die someday anyway. Children weren’t put here for us to look at.”

What about the pets you keep so willingly in your home? Don’t you see the difference between how you treat them and how you treat farm animals? Pigs are smarter than dogs and just as affectionate. You judge Obama for eating dog, but I bet you’ve eaten a good number of pigs in your life.

We’re healthier on a vegan diet. How do you explain that in your “circle of life” terms? Cats are healthier eating meat, WE, on the other hand, are not. On top of that, we have a strong emotional/social/moral compass. Does it really tell you to slaughter animals or take away their health and freedom for a short lifetime? Who made you God? Why do you get to decide that these animals don’t deserve life when you can easily survive without them? I’m not judging people who eat meat, but I judge people who get angry at vegetarians, or use “bacon tastes good” as their only reasoning. 

My advice to you is to go on a tour of a dairy farm. ANY dairy farm. Ask them how much freedom their cows have, or how long they get to live. Ask them what percentage of them have udder infections. (The rate is currently one-third). Ask them how many months a cow wails when their babies are taken away immediately after birth.

My other advice, GET a cow, chicken, pig, or turkey. Keep it with you for three months. Bond with it. Pet it. Feed it, and sense it’s appreciation. You just might understand why we (vegetarians-vegans) are the way we are.

Also, it’s not that hard to live on such a diet. There’s a whole other world of food out there. Give it a try. Go to a vegetarian restaurant. God bless.

TA-DA!!!!

There is the hypocrisy.

Pro-life isn’t about animals. I love animals, I have a dog and she means everything to me, but pro-life isn’t about that. Do you really think we care about a cow becoming a burger when there are humans being murdered because their parents don’t want to be responsible?

I think it’s sick that someone can be all animal rights (btw, animals don’t have rights) and then be pro-choice. If you care so damn much about the animals, why don’t you care about humans? If you don’t want to eat an egg (which is unfertilized, btw) because it’s cruel, why would you be ok with someone murdering a human being (which has been fertilized and has become human)?

Most people who are pro-choice actually do care about human beings, a lot. We just focus on the mothers instead of the fetuses. You’ve probably heard these arguments a lot already and dismissed them, but the fundamental principle of any honest pro-choice position is that abortion is never a great thing, it’s just something that has to be available for the situations where it’s necessary. Later on you trivialize the arguments for pregnancy being difficult, but it actually can ruin a woman’s life or even kill her. Many people who get abortions are very young, people who are in a situation where they don’t have the right resources to prevent pregnancy (be that education or birth control or whatever) or who are in a situation where they can’t prevent sex (they’re raped or in an abusive relationship or any other situation where they don’t feel they have the option to say no). I care about those women’s lives just as much as I care about animals’ lives, and I don’t like that a fetus has to be aborted to help them but that’s sometimes the only way to protect them.

And I’m sorry that you feel like you can’t tell someone you’re eating habits because of some irrational fear, but at least no one attacks you because you eat meat. When was the last time you heard of a meat activist group attacking people with paint and flour and lord knows what else because that person doesn’t eat meat? Never. The reason this picture is here is because so many people have experienced hostile vegans. So, I think in that respect, you should take up these concerns with other vegans and not meat eaters.

I hope you also recognize that those groups are a very small minority of vegans and vegetarians. I don’t hate all white people because of the KKK, or even all Christians because of narrow-minded people like you. The actions of some extremists are unfortunate, yes, but it doesn’t take a lot of research to realize that they don’t speak for all of us.

Also, interesting piece of information, animal rights activists and environmental activists groups are at the top of the domestic terrorist list. Also, they might soon be pushed off by OWS.

I just find it really interesting that the people at the top of the “domestic terrorist” list are people who’ve done nothing violent, only challenged the dominant ideologies. Meanwhile the people who are actually killing other Americans for their beliefs - among them, interestingly enough, those who murder abortion doctors! - are just ‘random crazies’.

And don’t go there with the dog thing. People have been eating animals since the beginning of time. And dogs have been those lucky creatures that are mostly used for hunting instead of eating. Don’t come to me about the unfairness that we eat pigs and cuddle puppies. I didn’t make the rules. You’d need a time machine to confront the person who decided that.

You don’t make the rules, yet you still follow them without question. You compared someone to Hitler for believing in animal rights - well, didn’t a lot of those people Hitler killed die because a lot of other people were just following the rules?

If we have a strong moral compass, why does abortion exist? I don’t see cats lining up to abort their babies. I find it very hypocritical that you and other such people think that these livestock animals deserve freedom and rights yet a human baby that is living but just hasn’t left the womb yet deserves no rights or freedom.

First of all, humans aren’t ‘lining up’ to abort their babies. In the vast majority of cases it’s an incredibly difficult and painful decision only taken because the mother has no other reasonable options left. Second of all, I know for a fact that rabbits, just as an example, are capable of re-absorbing their own fetuses into their bodies if they feel it’s not a safe time to give birth. That sounds a lot like abortion to me, and it’s a perfectly natural process that God himself programmed into them.

Not to be stereotypical when I bring this up, but that attitude reminds me of Hitler. It’s totally ok if I send 11 million Jews and gypsies and gays and handicapped people and other undesirables to death camps because I’m good to my pet dogs and I don’t eat meat.

Death camps: living, completely sentient and aware creatures are tortured and subjected to inhumane conditions for months before finally dying. Abortion: partially formed, largely unaware beings who don’t even have a nervous system during the first trimester (when most abortions take place) are quickly flushed out of the system, usually in the hopes of sparing them from the deprived childhood that would be waiting for them if their mothers were forced to give birth to them.

How are we supposed to take you and your animal views seriously if you can’t even give the same respect to your own species?

Also, in a previous post you mentioned pregnancy can be oh so hard on women because of anemia. Great cure for anemia, red. meat. Or chicken. I love chicken but red meat has more iron. But gosh I love chicken.

So, humans do benefit from meat. If we eat greasy, processed, high fat, hormone fed meat, yea it’s not the best. But if we eat fresh, lean, grass-fed, free-range meat, it’s good for us. We didn’t survive the past 6,000 to 10,000 years by scavenging through shrubs and wild plants. Before permanent settlements, meat was the main source of food. And clothing. And shelter. And weaponry. And even once we made permanent settlements, meat and dairy were still a huge part of our diets and our survival.

Most of the societies who absolutely needed meat to survive were those without the technology to reliably produce the alternatives we have today. We used to have to amputate limbs without anesthesia and let sick people die, but to claim that because societies used to have to do that, it’s a viable option today, would be absolutely ridiculous. For my part, I would never judge someone for eating meat if they had to because of their diet, or because they couldn’t afford the alternatives, but most people don’t even bother trying and then run around claiming they just have to eat meat!!!

Also, if you compare our digestive system to carnivores and herbivores, you’d see that ours is in between the two meaning we can have both. We also have canine teeth. Which came before the time where you needed them to open pesky ketchup packets.

Again, those are remnants of a time when meat was a necessary supplement to our diets. We also have appendixes, which medical science agrees are completely useless, as well as the skeletal remnants of tails.

Now, as for the “who made me God, who told me I get to decide,” no one on both counts. God did that all by Himself. Sorry to bring up the Bible, but the new and old testaments speak a lot about meat eating. Jesus himself took fish and multiplied it for 5,000 people, and then again for 4,000 in two of the gospels.

Once again - those societies didn’t have the resources to avoid eating meat. I do not judge Jesus for providing fish, I think that was a great thing that he did. But it’s no longer necessary today. Many of the things preached in the Bible boiled down to advice on how to best live in that historical context - the Bible also talked a lot about slavery, to use the standard example, but I don’t see people like you ridiculing abolitionists because of that.

But, who are you to judge or who is a woman to judge whether or not a child is born?

I don’t need to tour any farms. I’ve seen all the shit PETA puts out while simultaneously killing 90% of animals that come into their shelter within a day. My family gets organic and many times local dairy and meat. I know that there is a lot of abuse in large farms. But things are changing. More and more things are becoming organic. More and more are becoming free range and grass fed with no hormones. People aren’t going to stop eating meat but they can make things kinder. I wish instead of having large farms they had more locally owned and operated farms.

PETA can be very hypocritical, but again, they don’t speak for all of us. I’m glad that at least you support organic farming - a lot of meat-eaters I’ve met won’t even acknowledge that as a cause.

And what is so wrong with hunting? The universal rules of hunting is that if you kill something, you use ALL of it. And most hunters do that. They eat it all, and they use other parts for other things. I know some don’t do that, but you can hunt for sport and for sustenance at the same time.

As for a pet livestock animal, I would love one. I would love a furry little lamb or a line of little baby ducks or chickens. I would not eat that particular animal, but it wouldn’t put me off of meat. I’ve been around livestock animals before. My dad shears sheep. He still eats it (not the one he’s sheared, but sheep in general). If I had a little pet chicken named Gertrude, I would still eat her eggs. If I had a cow named Gretl I wouldn’t drink her milk (because it’s not pasteurized and I’m very picky about milk when I do drink it) but I would let other people drink it. And if Dannon wanted to come and take the milk and turn it into Oikos key lime Greek yogurt, I would eat it.

I can see how some people can be vegetarian, I just don’t get the vegan. Espeially since a lot of foods are now made with animal by-products (Starbucks strawberry frappucino anyone? Bugs creep me the fuck out but I’d still drink one. I eat raw cake batter and apparently there’s dead bugs in that so whatever) and the FDA allows for a certain amount of bugs, rat hair, and mold into food. So I don’t understand the vigilance in it. All it leaves is fresh produce. I don’t care how evil it sounds, but I don’t want to sacrifice my time and effort and health for that.

And I’ve tried to be vegetarian. And I am vegetarian on Wednesday and Friday. But some people just love meat. Like if you don’t like the taste, that’s one thing. But when you are concerned with animal rights over human rights, that just doesn’t make sense and it’s incredibly hypocritical.

That’s your opinion, but I also find it incredibly hypocritical when people will bend over backwards trying to protect one fetus while ignoring the plight of animals in factory farms, or the fates of the millions of people being killed by US troops in the name of an unjust war, or the people being executed for crimes that we cannot definitively say we committed.

If you want to be pro-life, I say be pro ALL life. If you’re just focusing on the fetuses’ right to life, and not the right to life of every other sentient organism, then you’re picking and choosing just as much as I am for being pro-animal life and the lives of mothers. Don’t call me a hypocrite when you’re doing the same thing.

(Source: thedailymeme)